I bought three pairs of these Halbro shorts seven years ago, two white, one navy, and ordered a few inches over my waist size, 36 inches, instead of 32 or 33, because I knew they'd shrink a bit. Also, they had a good length, a 4 1/4" inch inseam that shrank to about 3 3/4". I used them to referee many a game and love them, and they are just starting to show some wear and tear, as I rotated them so that I never wore the same pair more than four times per season. They just look great and can easily double as tennis shorts. These are the old style British shorts with the tab closure. There is only one firm still making them, but they have a 3" inseam that is just a bit too short for my taste and would obviously shrink down to 2 1/2". So, I would love it if that firm made them a bit longer, or if Halbro would start making them again, or one of the other casual old style rugby shirt makers. If they even had a longer inseams, like seven inches, they'd be great to wear for casual wear, and would be very throwback, because longer inseams on rugby shorts were normal up to about 1960. I've included a photo of two rugby players on Major Stanley's XV, and the blonde, Jack Gregory, has those longer style British shorts.